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gildedlilies
gildedlilies
Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
May 23 2009, 1:33 PM EDT | Post edited: May 23 2009, 1:33 PM EDT
Should AI limit the votes per phone line, to allow for all the fans to be able to vote?
Wouldn't this enable a better count? Be more fair? What do you think?
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FlipJD
FlipJD
1. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
May 23 2009, 4:06 PM EDT | Post edited: May 23 2009, 4:08 PM EDT
Great question and I've already got myself in a twist on this on other posts. It's not just unclogging the 'phone lines that's needed. The current system isn't restricted to how the winner of AI gets declared. Some contestants were also sent home based on the voting system despite the one Judges' save. Perhaps they might have gone sooner, stayed longer, or even have made the finals if the vote-per-line limitation had been in place. There are some interesting posts about frustrated would-be voters (and not only Adam fans). The technology is available to limit votes per line and other shows have done this. It would not only allow for a more level playing field, but would give a much better handle on number of voters vs. numbers of votes cast. The same technology exists to allow for and limit numbers of votes cast from one IP address to the AI website. The voting system now favors text messages and especially those with unlimited text messaging plans. This likely has a demographic bias towards younger and/or wealthier voters. But they download music and buy CDs too and have the same eligibility to vote. I'm not going to echo the posts slamming Kris' alleged teeny-bopper fans. It's the system, not the fans. It's possible that Adam had more voters but fewer votes cast. It's also possible that Kris had more voters. We simply don't know. Lots of speculation about the reasons but no tangible evidence. I'd much rather know that the system was equitable to contestants and I'm sure that most elected Idols would also prefer to feel a rightful heir than left to wonder if he/she was simply lucky. Does any of this matter, you might ask, since now Adam - and others - are on track for stardom? I know that Adam will get the recognition that he deserves and I'm really, really thankful to AI for that. But I won't watch AI again unless they revamp the voting system. 4  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    

kml8amt12
2. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
May 23 2009, 9:05 PM EDT | Post edited: May 23 2009, 9:05 PM EDT
Yes they should. It is so hard to get thru the phone lines and I also think that the songs should be available to everyone that watches...not just AT&T and ITunes. I use Sprint and I have a dope playlist and it isn't complete without Adam, Alison and Alexis. 4  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
Suzywoo2
Suzywoo2
3. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
May 25 2009, 3:30 AM EDT | Post edited: May 25 2009, 3:30 AM EDT
Posted this B4 seeing your ? --

Before you write this off as being some B.S. post from just some teeny bopper, disgruntled fan or whatever, please take into consideration these basic facts: #1) I have nothing to gain and a lot to lose by posting my comments to the web in this day and age, just with SPAM alone -- #2) I am NOT a younster by any means, although watching Adam can certainly make one feel that way ... no, I am actually 52 years old at present. Am doing this not only because I hope the "powers that be" will take note, but because the system definitely needs changed when it comes to the American Idol voting rules and regulation.

Here is the plain and simple truth -- For two hours I attempted to place votes via the various toll-free numbers provided for Adam on the final voting night but failed far more times than I succeeded in getting through. (By the way, when did Idol stop letting the singers post recordings in their own voice to thank you for voting?) No matter which number I called, the results were the same - either a busy signal or nothing whatsoever, as if the call did not go through. For the record, we don't have any issues with our phone; we don't live in the boondocks, Capital region of NY actually. With repetitive dialing the entire time, I was only able to place 12 votes for Adam the 2nd hour! (sadly did not keep track the 1st hour, didn't know I'd need to) I told my fiance right then and there, Adam would lose the next night.

Only because history has shown how those with real talent from A.I. succeed despite the games, tricks and public shenanigans am I not concerned for Adam's future. I see Adam breaking records set not only by Daughtry & Carrie Underwood, but J. Hudson as well. He's multi-faceted and will no doubt be around for a long time to come.

Perhaps one day A.I. will do right by everyone. But for now, congratulations Adam, you are the real winner!
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Suzywoo2
Suzywoo2
4. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
May 25 2009, 3:52 AM EDT | Post edited: May 25 2009, 3:52 AM EDT
Now, as a more direct response -- Yes, they need to revamp their voting procedure, and do so before next season. They've already lost a lot of viewers as compared with previous season[s], possibly due to many of us becoming jaded from not only the results, but the petty fighting and insults. Who cares what Ryan states is the total of text & phone votes? That says nothing about the actual votes per contestant; something Idol has yet to divulge to their viewers for any season, and why? I've tried posting to their site several times this year concerning the phone line issues, yet my posts always seem to vanish into thin air, further creating a fear of there being some sort of manipulation being done upon some level. No, I'm not a paranoid individual as a rule either *g*, but when given the obvious public support for Adam this year, one has to ask for answers.

Not to say I am well-educated in how something like this might work, but surely some type of "single vote" verification system should be available to put into place in this day and age, right? Or perhaps a login system via the web based upon an individual's IP address, or even personal address could work (since creating a screen name would not give them a singular tracking ability). All I am aware of right now is how badly the current system seems to function. Even given the "swing" votes there might have been from either those rallying against a person's believed/supposed stereotype image or a judge[s] support could not have altered the end results this year by THAT much, could they? Hard to tell when Idol will not speak, or even allow it's viewers to speak.

Can we get their attention, or will it take a lack of voting to turn the trick?

I'm ready to do what it takes.
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lyndzi16
lyndzi16
5. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
May 25 2009, 3:42 PM EDT | Post edited: May 25 2009, 3:42 PM EDT
I think they should...becuase many rumors were spread that all the adam lambert fans couldnt get through. I dont know if thats true...but if it is, thenyes we should do a recount!! But in the whole skeem of life Adam is better for not winning, becuase he would be under AL contract and have to do what they tell him to...but he can do whatever he wants now!!! So go ADAM!!! 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
AdamLovNGirl
AdamLovNGirl
6. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
May 25 2009, 5:18 PM EDT | Post edited: May 25 2009, 5:22 PM EDT
I absolutely believe they should revamp their voting system! I did get through 1200 times (but would love to only have to vote once), however, there were many who couldn't. There are way too many individuals abusing the system (tweens, VFTW, campaigns against a contestant including people who don't even watch the show - thank you very much Gokey/his pastor). There should be one vote allowed per contestant remaining in the competition, much like Dancing With The Stars! They need to put the players on an even playing field so the best talent does not lose again! Yes, Adam will be amazing in the future and he will have creative freedom! The only thing he won't have is the American Idol 2009 title, which still very much bothers me, since week after week he put himself out there 200% and gave all he had for all of us! He sang circles around the other contestants week after week! So on principle, it's a hard pill to swallow! When I talked to him, he was in great spirits and is truly excited for what is to come! But still... Idol HAS to do something to make this a more viable system! One of my friends even suggested going by iTunes sales, which at first seemed like a good idea. However, after seeing how Kris' No Boundaries is currently at number one, even that could be rigged with Fox buying up all the copies to insure he sits at the top! So yeah, one vote per computer or landline and that's it! Congratulations Adam.... you are MY Idol 2009 no matter what the results were! 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
cherubsgirl
cherubsgirl
8. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
May 27 2009, 8:58 PM EDT | Post edited: May 27 2009, 8:58 PM EDT
yes... the voting system should be redone..... I voted the entire 4 hours on landlines and got in about 610 votes.... but a limited system would be more fair....heard Kris' mom voted 500,000x... it's rediculous because it's the opinion of one person.... I think ADAM deserves the title because he has been good all season.... Don't really understand how Kris won anyway...not because he doesn't have talent, but because Kris was in the bottom 3 many X... yet all the other bottom 3 contestants eventually got voted off.... Kris however, made it to the top 2..... thought it would be a adam/danny finale.... but Danny got voted off, when he had never been in the bottom 3...... anyway....love Adam's positive attitude....just another reason why he is my American Idol 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

cincigirl01
9. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
May 28 2009, 12:22 PM EDT | Post edited: May 28 2009, 12:22 PM EDT
Yes AI should revamp the voting system. They should get rid of AT&T for their part in the free phones and power texting in ARK to make sure Kris won. Conflict of interest should have come into play here and nothing happened. I have lost respect for AI for not standing up and fixing this problem. Kris said he wanted it to come down to talent not religion or anything else. Well fraud is something else. Hope Kris can sleep at night knowing he did not really win this contest because of a few people who thought it better to rig the system to make sure their hometown boy won regardless of what it took. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

kml8amt12
10. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
May 28 2009, 1:22 PM EDT | Post edited: May 28 2009, 1:22 PM EDT
"Yes AI should revamp the voting system. They should get rid of AT&T for their part in the free phones and power texting in ARK to make sure Kris won. Conflict of interest should have come into play here and nothing happened. I have lost respect for AI for not standing up and fixing this problem. Kris said he wanted it to come down to talent not religion or anything else. Well fraud is something else. Hope Kris can sleep at night knowing he did not really win this contest because of a few people who thought it better to rig the system to make sure their hometown boy won regardless of what it took."
I totally agree with you! It's not fair and it is fraud and I believe it is also called a Monopoly! Get rid of AT&T! It's a damn shame that they felt they had to cheat in order to have whom they wanted to win because this was the BEST SEASON EVER!

But, unless AL does something about this I am boycotting AL. It was a good run but you got caught cheating and it's ripping off everyone that voted! It is bad enough that unless you are an AT&T customer you cannot text your vote and unless you have AT&T and ITunes you cannot get the songs on your cell.

Voting through the phone lines ONLY is not working AL. I tried to get through for 2 hours and could only vote 10 times. And, they should have made it clear that the voting was for 4 hours not 2...otherwise I would have continued to TRY to get through.
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kml8amt12
11. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
May 28 2009, 1:24 PM EDT | Post edited: May 28 2009, 1:24 PM EDT
"Great question and I've already got myself in a twist on this on other posts. It's not just unclogging the 'phone lines that's needed. The current system isn't restricted to how the winner of AI gets declared. Some contestants were also sent home based on the voting system despite the one Judges' save. Perhaps they might have gone sooner, stayed longer, or even have made the finals if the vote-per-line limitation had been in place. There are some interesting posts about frustrated would-be voters (and not only Adam fans). The technology is available to limit votes per line and other shows have done this. It would not only allow for a more level playing field, but would give a much better handle on number of voters vs. numbers of votes cast. The same technology exists to allow for and limit numbers of votes cast from one IP address to the AI website. The voting system now favors text messages and especially those with unlimited text messaging plans. This likely has a demographic bias towards younger and/or wealthier voters. But they download music and buy CDs too and have the same eligibility to vote. I'm not going to echo the posts slamming Kris' alleged teeny-bopper fans. It's the system, not the fans. It's possible that Adam had more voters but fewer votes cast. It's also possible that Kris had more voters. We simply don't know. Lots of speculation about the reasons but no tangible evidence. I'd much rather know that the system was equitable to contestants and I'm sure that most elected Idols would also prefer to feel a rightful heir than left to wonder if he/she was simply lucky. Does any of this matter, you might ask, since now Adam - and others - are on track for stardom? I know that Adam will get the recognition that he deserves and I'm really, really thankful to AI for that. But I won't watch AI again unless they revamp the voting system. "
Allison should have been in the top 3 ... I believe she was totally ripped off too!

Danny can sing but he has no stage presence like Allison does.
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asilvey69
asilvey69
12. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
May 28 2009, 9:52 PM EDT | Post edited: May 28 2009, 9:52 PM EDT
I think AI should first do away with text votes all together unless they make it to where any cell subscriber can text in votes. In my opinion it is not fair that only AT&T subscribers can text in votes especially since they can now power text.

I really think that it would be better if they adopted a voting system similar to Dancing With The Stars. I think they should limit the amount of phoned in votes and allow people a certain amount of online votes. I think online voting would be a lot more fair than texted in votes and at least if you cannot get through on the telephone you could vote online.

It sure would be nice if they made some changes but I seriously doubt that they will. They obviously care more about keeping AT&T happy than the fans. I guess money talks and they do not want to lose their sponsor. So instead of pleasing the fans they are going kiss AT&T's butt and allow them to break the rules by helping Kris win.
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adamsangel
adamsangel
13. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
May 29 2009, 12:10 AM EDT | Post edited: May 29 2009, 12:10 AM EDT
Definitely, although I don't really care because I won't be watching next season. But they should just allow 10 votes per line and do away with text voting, not everyone has an AT&T cell phone. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

jshphl
14. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
May 30 2009, 10:41 AM EDT | Post edited: May 30 2009, 10:41 AM EDT
YES! AI should revamp their voting system. Apart from limiting the votes per line, the producers should tally all the votes of the TOP 2 finalists from their past performances plus the finale night when they sing the 3 songs. It's quite unfair for the front runner to lose votes at the last voting day. This way, the telecom sponsor is assured of increasing cellphone use from the very beginning of the competition. That'll even make more money for them. Isn't that their bottomline afterall? Also, they should allow online voting. I believe a fair system can be set up to do online voting. If FOX & the AI producers don't take a heed of these controversy, I'm ceratin their ratings will drop next year. There are a gazillion of Adam fans who are disappointed not only in America, but all over the world. I'm from the Philippines & I'm just so bummed with the outcome of this season. Kris Allen is a good guy & can sing. But, there's nothing really great about his style. Where I come from, we have more talented artists that can outshine Kris Allen. Adam is one of a kind. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

kml8amt12
15. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
May 30 2009, 12:12 PM EDT | Post edited: May 30 2009, 12:12 PM EDT
"YES! AI should revamp their voting system. Apart from limiting the votes per line, the producers should tally all the votes of the TOP 2 finalists from their past performances plus the finale night when they sing the 3 songs. It's quite unfair for the front runner to lose votes at the last voting day. This way, the telecom sponsor is assured of increasing cellphone use from the very beginning of the competition. That'll even make more money for them. Isn't that their bottomline afterall? Also, they should allow online voting. I believe a fair system can be set up to do online voting. If FOX & the AI producers don't take a heed of these controversy, I'm ceratin their ratings will drop next year. There are a gazillion of Adam fans who are disappointed not only in America, but all over the world. I'm from the Philippines & I'm just so bummed with the outcome of this season. Kris Allen is a good guy & can sing. But, there's nothing really great about his style. Where I come from, we have more talented artists that can outshine Kris Allen. Adam is one of a kind. "
I have seen people from Australia also being upset about Adam not winning. I totally agree with you!
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MicheleDE
MicheleDE
16. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
Jun 3 2009, 7:31 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 3 2009, 7:31 PM EDT
Yes they most certainly should change it!

btw I got through more on the 2nd half of the 4 hour voting time that night - I kept getting busy signals for probably 85% of the first 2 hrs. I watched a movie and dialed and dialed and dialed. For 4 freaking hours. 350+ times.

Adam is amazing. I love his beautiful face, smile, singing obviously, and personality. I think I love him. lol and I'm a married 45 year old mom of 2 teens. lol I am obsessed!



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ReturnofHolmes
ReturnofHolmes
17. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
Jun 4 2009, 1:59 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 4 2009, 1:59 AM EDT
YES, THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN..NOT PREPARED FOR THE MILLIONS WHO ARE VOTING. IDOL ISN'T THE ONLY ONE, WITH PROBLEMS.
DANCING WITH THE STARS, HAD THE SAME ISSUES..
THESE SHOWS, HAVE FALLEN OUT OF FAVOR AND IT IS..THERE OWN FAULT..
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voluptuosa
voluptuosa
18. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
Jun 11 2009, 7:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 11 2009, 7:22 PM EDT
Yes I really think they should have a limit as to how many times someone can vote by text messaging etc. Its not a good system now because the phone lines sometimes get busy and not everyone has access to amazing phones that can text 10 messages at a time.
On another note, Adam is gorgeous, and I love his music and can't wait for his CD to be released!
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kml8amt12
19. RE: Should American Idol revamp their voting system?
Jun 11 2009, 7:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 11 2009, 7:46 PM EDT
"Now, as a more direct response -- Yes, they need to revamp their voting procedure, and do so before next season. They've already lost a lot of viewers as compared with previous season[s], possibly due to many of us becoming jaded from not only the results, but the petty fighting and insults. Who cares what Ryan states is the total of text & phone votes? That says nothing about the actual votes per contestant; something Idol has yet to divulge to their viewers for any season, and why? I've tried posting to their site several times this year concerning the phone line issues, yet my posts always seem to vanish into thin air, further creating a fear of there being some sort of manipulation being done upon some level. No, I'm not a paranoid individual as a rule either *g*, but when given the obvious public support for Adam this year, one has to ask for answers.

Not to say I am well-educated in how something like this might work, but surely some type of "single vote" verification system should be available to put into place in this day and age, right? Or perhaps a login system via the web based upon an individual's IP address, or even personal address could work (since creating a screen name would not give them a singular tracking ability). All I am aware of right now is how badly the current system seems to function. Even given the "swing" votes there might have been from either those rallying against a person's believed/supposed stereotype image or a judge[s] support could not have altered the end results this year by THAT much, could they? Hard to tell when Idol will not speak, or even allow it's viewers to speak.

Can we get their attention, or will it take a lack of voting to turn the trick?

I'm ready to do what it takes."
That's a good idea voting by computer...except that not everyone has computers in their house. Tracking IP addresses would be next to impossible.
The one phone vote per household is a great idea, except that you like more than one contestant (before they get to the last 3).
I think what they should do is phone votes only and all cell carriers be allowed to text vote. That is if they insist on keeping AT&T around as sponsors. Personally, they should get rid of AT&T and all cell carriers out of the voting process. So many companies out there that would love to have all that publicity that AT&T gets.
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